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Activity Bar Questions and Answers

Discussion in 'Ogres Breakfast' started by ogreman, Jun 28, 2013.

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    ogreman

    ogreman Ogre In Charge Staff Member GameOgre Admin

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    You can ask any question about the activity bar here:). It has befuddled Ogres for years, but it is more understandable now than it has been in the past to those who have studied it lol.
     
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    Thedarkboy Anime Geek Ogre Veteran

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    Did you start this thread only because of the discussion in the Royal Ogres thread? :p

    Btw, is the activity bar only filled through posts? Because I know just going online isn't enough to fill it, but is there any other way? I've wondered this for a while xD
     
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    It looks at post count/visitormessages/group discussion/Blog entries when calculating activity.

    I'm not entirely convinced it doesn't take into account the other stuff you gain points for as well but that's just speculation.
     
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    FoxWMB Clubbed The Pit

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    So basically, if 10 people decided to post non stop, everyone else would see their activity drop down to very low numbers? :)
     
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    Aaddron Moderator Staff Member GameOgre Moderator

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    Actually something similar has happened before so yeah that is indeed what would happeon and wouldn't even need 10 to do it! However it'd be very hard to do legitimately and even so the disruption caused by it would no doubt warrant at least a chat with the club. :)
     
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    Narubian New Member The Pit

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    It isnt that hard. All you need to do is go on Forum Games and post 4-5 times in 15 different topics 1-2 word each post.
    You can get in 2 days from 50% to 99% by doing that, pretty lame that quality is overlooked cause of quantity.
     
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    Aaddron Moderator Staff Member GameOgre Moderator

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    I see no point in debating this hypothetical situation so believe whatever you wish.

    Well it's an automated activity bar, not a quality bar. It's pretty lame you've decided to generalize and put down a whole system when it's trying to do exactly what you're complaining about, the whole plugin was created for Quality over Quantity... the author felt Post Count just wasn't a good enough indicator of a members impact on a community.

    So the author created the plugin to better track, show and reward more actions beyond just post count. The activity bar is just a small part of the larger plugin, it's not perfect by any means but it's far better than nothing. The Activity Bar is strictly that, a activity bar... it's not meant to track anything else and why should it. Whether playing Forum Games or making page long posts active = active.
     
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    Ok, but the thing I dont get is how it grows in size? I imagine everytime you.post an once it gets full it grows over the years to match your activitiy
     
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    p Moderator Staff Member GameOgre Moderator

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    Are you talking about how, visually, aaddron and fox and some others have longer activity point bars than yourself and say Narubian? It very clearly isn't like that. For one, to directly shoot down your example, your account is older than fox's by two months, and you have double his post count. Fox's is also longer than aaddron, who has several years and 6 times his post count.

    The activity/points bars are as long as either your username line or your title line, depending on which is longer. Yours cuts off at the end of your title, whereas aaddron's cuts off at the end of the online/offline bubble after his username. Thus: if you want a visually longer bar (that is no different from other bars aside from size on screen), get a longer name or title.
     
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    sometimes only 2 post in one week can be more quality than 50 post
     
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    I assume the bold part only applies to illegitimate attempts?
     
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    I just mean if someone started posting something like 150+ times a day even legitimately... every single day I'm sure questions would be asked, hence "at least a chat".
     
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    @pure: I kinda get what you mean in a way. but I find it weird that I post more than a lot of the members on this form yet there activity tend to be longer than mine
     
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    How can you find it wierd? A longer name or title=longer green and orange bar simple as that :)
     
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    It's just as they samt. Since your name, hamr, is short, your activity bar is short. If your name is long, the bar gets long. It also get longer if you have medals :p
     
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    Then you must be burned!!! ALIVE!!!

    jk xD

    All i`m saying is that to many people are focusing mostly on quantity over quality. And people who can do something about it dont do anything.

    Simple example: Something finally happened and "higher-ups" said "We gotta close good vs evil tread it is to much spamming we should make a new tread" then it was decided that the new tread should be called heroes vs villains and the main problem about that is the tread itself is SAME AS Good vs EVIL.... all you do is put name of either a good guy and then add +2 or you put a name of the bad guy and add -2.... Same as Good vs Evil except the fact that now you should name hero/villain before you write the number. And that is approved for some reason....
    Then some people wonder why some Royal members question quality on this forum.

    I wont get into debate about "we cant do anything about it" because we can, we just dont want to since we know what most of the guys on this forum spend their time on or better said how do they earn points/activity.
    I myself stopped being super active cause i dont see the point to do so much about other part of the forums when the most active one is Forum Games because all you gotta do is write 1-2 words and you get tons of points by doing it daily while i spend a lot of time making quality posts on WoT/Manga section for almost nothing...
     
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    I thought that needed reiterating.
    Yes. Forum games are an easy way to fill up your activity bar in a flash, because playing games is a lot faster and more acceptable way to gain posts than posting anywhere else. One of the contributing factors to the activity bar is also average posts per day in the last (span of time) vs average posts per day lifetime. Having a higher average posts per day also determines what rank you get once you reach peak activity. If we take a look at this page, everyone from 99.0% and up is in order of average post count (ignoring such outliers as ichigo, who have been banned which has had the unexpected side-effect of freezing their activity bars in place).

    The main thing that means for your example, narubian, is just that fox was just as active as the others whose bars were displaying at 100%, he just didn't have enough average post count relative to the people at the top to be at least 99.1%.

    You will find that there have been and still are a number of people rather critical of forum games, including some who wanted it wiped from the forum forevermore. However, the official stance is that it's here to stay and that all the complaining has gotten really old.

    Forum games is also far less active now than I have ever seen it.

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    I wrote all of that before you posted your most recent post, and that one is harder to pick bits and pieces out to make a single quote so I'll just respond to it without quote tags.
    First and foremost, I have to ask: if you are so opposed to heroes vs villains, then why am I the only close vote?
    There are plenty who are quality > quantity focused as well, though there are indeed quantity > quality members around too.
    Heh, "higher ups" heh. As if ogreman is plural.
    "most of the people on the forum" out of all the people I see, forum gamers appear to be in the minority.

    This post is just a really long-winded attempt at saying: If you think there's something about the forum that could be done better, make suggestions to improve it instead of just saying "we could be doing this better." Even if the statement is true, no suggestions = no progress.

    I'm not trying to defend/oppose forum games. At the end of the day it won't matter to me whether it's there or not. It was a serious issue before, obviously it's still considered an obvious issue to some. As it won't be going away any time soon, how about ideas and suggestions instead of just complaints? They've all been done before.

    Author's note: This post is not meant in any way to pick on anyone or rant, and apologies will be given if that appearance was presented
     
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    Ok we are talking about different things. I'm referring to this:

    My reply to that included "it'd be very hard to do"

    You next post:

    Which to me seems a continuation of the discussion as no one else said anything about something being hard... but that's appears not to be the case, my bad.

    Yes, you've made your opinion on this clear already, so has Fox and others including myself over the years. Believe me Forum Games have always been a topic. If you want to discuss it then start a new thread or find one for Forums Games. This is a Q/A thread for the activity bar, it's not the place for a Quality vs Quantity debate or Forums Games.

    Edit: On the 99% topic, 99% is considered 100% even in our Activity Bonuses, never gonna be said "well he is at 100 and he is only 99". It's one of those funky things with the Activity Bar.
     
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